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The Avatar first saw him in Ultima IX, agreeing to mayor Aidon's policy when listening to a speech the mayor was giving. Meeting him in later at work, Giovanni said that his wife Olwyn took care of business, and he only worked the forge. After having talked with Keller in Castle Britannia, the Avatar asked if it would be possible to create a Blackrock Sword. Giovanni admitted that this was beyond his abilities, but said that Rupert in Trinsic is rumored to work with unusual materials, and that he possibly could do it.