The Avatar met him in Ultima IX near Iolo's house. He explained how to reach the dungeon Despise, and warned the Avatar that all manners of evils could be found within. Later however, after learning that Evidious had sullied the Avatar's reputation, Orson had some new information. He'd seen an Avatar look-a-like putting up camp in the old ruins to the east of Britain. This proved helpful for finding the culprit.